| A Moneychanger Interview: Ted
Butler on Silver
Lately a subscriber forwarded me a
1998 Internet article, "The Permanent Silver Shortage" by Ted
Butler. It was one of the most profound articles about silver I have
ever read. Why hadn’t I ever heard of Ted Butler?
Because he is primarily a private
investor & trader, & writes only occasionally on the Gold
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Ted has nearly 20 years’ experience
in commodities & futures. Originally from New York, he now lives
in Florida. We had a great time in this interview, but I failed
miserably as "devil’s advocate." What else do you expect? Two silver
bulls get together, & they can only fuel each other’s
fires.
Mr. Butler very kindly gave me time
for this interview on Wednesday, June 14, 2000. The Moneychanger’s
questions are in bold italic type, Ted’s answers in
text.
MONEYCHANGER Based on your
experience trading commodities your argument in "A Permanent
Shortage of Silver" is, "This is crazy!"
BUTLER Yes. It negates
everything education & experience teach us about supply &
demand. When you consume more than you produce – the definition of a
shortage – you have to attract balancing supply to the market from
existing inventories. We’ve all been taught that you can only entice
that inventory out with higher prices. For 11 years
running the Silver Institute has reported a physical deficit
in the face of flat to lower real & nominal prices. That
is crazy!
When silver rises a dollar, no
one will install a $100 million mining complex the next day.
However, as supply shortfalls show up, then logically the price
should rise, encouraging more production.
You are putting the cart before the
horse. All that happens when we get higher prices, but why don’t
we have higher prices already? The only solution to the severe
structural silver deficit facing almost non-existent remaining
inventories is sharply higher prices to induce more production. The
market has to balance supply & demand. It is one of nature’s
rules.
The alternative is for silver
prices to stay flat until one day – a year, two years down the road
. . .
. . . or two weeks…
…the people go to work in the
photographic film industry or in the electronics plating industry
& the man at the door says, "Don’t bother coming to work today,
we’re out of silver. We can’t work."
Absolutely.
In most industrial applications
silver is not optional. There is no good substitute over a wide
range of prices. In photography, God made nothing else with silver’s
sub-atomic characteristics. Barring some fantastic new discovery,
there is no substitute for silver.
And there’s very little room to
reduce usage. In the 1970s when silver’s price began to rise
manufacturers of medical x-ray film & other films began
tosqueeze silver out of their product. Then the 1980 silver spike
taught every manufacturer a painful lesson. They all began to
squeeze down their use of silver. That process has carried on now 20
more years. The photographic industry, e.g., has managed several
huge silver reductions, yet total photographic usage still rises
every year. Moreover, rising incomes in China & India will keep
on feeding that demand. Those people will not buy a $900
digital camera as their first photographic
experiment.
And the $2,000 computer that you need
to run it. They are going to buy a $5 disposable camera.
So silver usage has already been
squeezed down & it is absolutely essential in the industrial
applications where it remains. There is no wriggle
room.
It is a long-term structural problem.
At some point they will be forced to raise prices on
silver-containing products high enough to price them out of many
consumers’ reach. By the time it gets to that point, I shudder
to think what the price of silver might be.
Because usually the amount that
is used in any application contributes only a very tiny part of the
end-product price.
In 1990, Charles Rivers
Associates did a study for the Silver Institute that intimated there
was plenty of silver, but it was unlikely to be sold at any price
under twenty bucks. Today CPM & GFMS theorise that 1.5 billion
ounces came to market during the 1980s, & for the past 10 years
the market has been using that up – at $5.00 an
ounce.
How would such a massive transfer
occur over such a protracted time without the price fluctuating?
Silver has flat-lined on a long term monthly chart at $5. That’s the
craziest thing I have ever heard. I tell you, it is
impossible.
One theory was that old silver
bulls who had buried silver in their basement were dying & their
estates were being liquidated.
You mentioned the theory that we have
1.5 billion ounces. As time goes on, people forget so they can
manage & massage these numbers any way they want. You were in
the market in 1980 & afterwards. We didn’t have those
extraordinarily high silver prices for long. Sure, people were
waiting in line to sell their silver, but how long did that last?
Was it physically possible to bring that much silver to market in
that short time?
Some liquidation has occurred, but how
could we possibly uncover 1.5 billion ounces & not see it in
inventory or refining statistics. They would have needed to double,
triple, or quadruple refining capacity to handle that amount. It
didn’t come in as 1,000 ounce Comex registered bars, it came in as
knives & forks & hollowware. Who refined all that?
Meanwhile, Handy & Harman, the country’s biggest refiner, goes
out of business. How can people accept these kinds of statements
without thinking about them?
Was it a billion & a half ounces
that they got in a year, or ten years? Did that much silver come to
market? Where did it go when they refined it? Somebody just hid it
all these years & let out 100 or 200 million ounces a year in
the middle of the night so nobody could see? This is just
stupid.
The latest World Silver
Survey shows about 112.5 million ounces as the total silver
producer hedging position. Of that, the latest World Silver
Survey breaks it down so that the vast majority is forward
positions & options delta. Just a little bitty sliver, 200
tonnes, comes from silver loans.
In a recent article, "The Great Silver
Lie," I addressed this very issue. That can be found on the Gold
Eagle site under my name.
GFMS spend more time collecting data
than you & I, so let’s not even argue with their numbers. Still,
the way they portion out silver leases & forward sales among
categories isn’t much more than an opinion on their part.
Having created the whole pie, they cut it into pieces without
really offering much substantiation
They never do.
I know. I fought with them before this
report came out. The big theme this year was the sale from China.
How can they document that? I don’t doubt for a minute that the
silver did come from China. After all, somebody had to make
up that physical deficit, but in the name of common sense who in his
right mind would sell at these low prices?
The Chinese are smart enough to steal
every nuclear secret we ever had, but they can’t figure out that $5
silver is too cheap? The Russians have worked platinum &
palladium to whatever price they want, but the Chinese are dumping
silver accumulated over so many years?
If the silver came from the Chinese,
they are leasing it, not selling it. That is the only
possible way to explain how you could get 61 million ounces – let
alone 156 million ounces -- from anybody under the price of $5.
They don’t think they are selling. Maybe it’s a political
quid pro quo, but it makes no economic sense at such
low interest rates. Lease rates on silver & gold range around 1%
per annum. The whole thing is so preposterous that it is hard to
discuss unemotionally.
There is more that doesn’t add
up. China was the last country in the world to abandon the silver
standard. Roosevelt’s manipulation drove silver so high that in 1935
the Chinese had to drop silver.
A 1980 Wall Street
Journal article highlighted smuggling silver into China. At that
time China was undergoing an underground economy boom & the
Chinese wanted to be paid in silver. Besides China’s ancient
adherence to the silver standard, there’s a long history of Mexican
silver dollars (in particular) financing the China trade. Even as
late as 1980, they preferred those pieces of eight to any
other kind of money.
We are asked to believe that
these people with this history looked around at world markets &
suddenly asked themselves, "Gosh, why are we holding on to this
silver? It is $1.80 cheaper than it was a year ago. Let’s sell
now."
It just doesn’t make sense, but you
can’t disprove it. So you get stuck in this quagmire, distracted
from the central issue. It makes no difference who provided
the silver to make up the shortfall in 1999, the transfer still
doesn’t make sense. If there’s no good economic reason then you’re
acting from some non-economic reason.
If the lender is willing to
accept a return that low, then it must be an asset he plans to keep
anyway without any return at all.
Give the benefit of doubt to these
central banks. A notion dreamed up 15 years or so ago attracted
them. "Don’t leave gold & silver lying fallow in their vaults.
Do yourself a favour. Loan it out to us & we’ll get you a
return. It won’t be a big return, but it will be a return & you
don’t have to report it, because we will call it a lease
transaction. You can still keep it on your books & show a small
return."
I think central bankers originally
fell for that line, & they’ve loaned more & more every year.
By now central bankers have to be wondering, "How am I going to get
my silver back?" At least, any rational person would think
that.
There is no cash settlement for
these leases. The borrower must pay back physical silver, not its
value in paper dollars.
Right metal, not currency.
Metal is loaned, metal has to be paid back, but they have loaned
maybe a billion ounces. (I can defend a billion easily, but I think
it’s closer to two billion.)
Metals are anonymous. There’s no
central registry where all silver & gold owners must register.
That is one of the main attractions of metals, they are nobody
else’s liability.
Ten or 15 years ago analysts never
realised central banks had one or two billion ounces to lend. Unlike
gold, silver is not counted as a monetary asset. They report on
their gold holdings, but not the same way on silver because it’s not
considered monetary. (The US is one of the few that also reports
silver in its monetary statement.) Without reporting, they can loan
it out without their citizens knowledge.
But where will a billion ounces of
silver come from to pay back these loans? Talk about impossible.
These loans can’t be paid back. They will default. Leasing has been
the mysterious source of the phantom silver, & leasing has
brought us to our present position. Sure, it sounds unbelievable,
but it is the only logical answer that explains how silver could
stay at these prices so many years into a structural deficit.
By the latest World Silver
Survey, the cumulative deficit from 1990-1999 was 1.22 billion
ounces. This was the shortfall of supply versus demand. Silver,
unlike gold, is consumed.
Right. It is an industrial item, more
than a jewellery or monetary type item.
Fabricated silver disappears. It
is washed down the drain or it goes to the landfill in the form of .
. .
. . . uneconomically recoverable
amounts.
Express that 1.2 billion ounce
cumulative another way: 1.2 billion ounces have been taken from
some inventory. It had to come from some place. If it had come
from individuals voluntarily selling, we would see tremendous
evidence of that. We would see silver donation centers on every
street corner, like Red Cross blood banks. All we’ve seen is sleight
of hand with these silver reports. I don’t know how Gold Fields
& the Silver Institute could publish these with a straight face.
What they say has happened is impossible. You can’t have a voluntary
inventory liquidation of 156 million ounces, nearly 1/3 of total
world mine production, come to market with flat prices for ten
years.
At some point the market runs
out of silver owners who are willing to sell for $5 an ounce.
Logically the world can’t be that full of them, but over the ten
years their tribe has known no limit.
We’ve become so accustomed to it that
we react like zombies. ‘Oh, another silver deficit this year
– big surprise." Commodity deficits are so rare that you have to
really dig them out of market history. A commodity deficit for
almost a year is unheard of; A commodity deficit for a decade is
impossible. It just defies every law of free markets & free
economics.
From the tone of your articles,
you are much more optimistic about silver than gold.
Why?
I am speaking strictly on my
experience as a commodities broker & analyst. I’m not a hard
money man, though I’m not against it. I look at things with an eye
towards fundamental analysis, weighing supply & demand &
their interaction with price.
Most companies can profitably mine
gold in the $300+ range. At $500-$600 an ounce, most companies will
make a ton of money. People will be out looking for it day &
night. Since gold is mostly used in jewellery, you might have some
resistance in demand if prices go up 100%.
Gold has been suppressed, too, for
many years, but not to the same extreme as silver. When this leasing
fiasco finally explodes, chances are that gold will overshoot its
equilibrium price. Markets generally operate that way, but I don’t
think you need $800 to get mining companies working around the
clock.
In spite of all the gold leasing
central banks still have quite a bit of gold left. Like silver, gold
has a structural deficit; leasing balances the shortfall. If they
wanted to fight to the death, they could continue to keep the gold
price suppressed a while longer.
That emergency stash doesn’t exist for
silver. For those fighting a fire in silver’s price, there is no
water supply left. Twenty or thirty years ago whenever silver perked
up, a rumour or government statement would emerge, hinting the US
government might sell 100 million ounces. In 1940 the US government
held over two billion ounces of silver. Today, how much do they have
left? Fifteen or 20 million ounces. So there is nobody & nothing
to fight a silver price fire. That is the difference between gold
& silver. You have to conclude that silver is more
explosive.
For many years the question mark
hanging over silver was what price would induce Indians to sell
their silver. From ’68 forward, Indian economic conditions under a
Socialist government were very bad. Also, agricultural times were
hard. (About 60% of the people in India still live on the land.) In
1985 that turned around & those sellers became buyers. The way
Gold Fields Survey portrays it, millions & millions of
Indian peasants sit around at their TVs all day . . .
. . . watching the Comex price . .
.
. . . so that if silver goes up
a dime, they can dash out, strip those silver baubles off the wife,
& run sell them.
If you focus on higher prices drawing
out Indian or any other supplies, fairness as an analyst demands
that you examine the other half of that equation. When the price
rises, some companies & investors will want to build
inventories. They will view the rising price as the confirmation
they were waiting for.
A great example of that behaviour
stares at us every day from the stock market. People want to jump on
bandwagons. In any market they tend to buy as the price
rises. That is normal human behaviour.
A lifelong silver merchant in
Bombay told me something else pertinent. These Indian farmers use
silver as their savings account. Momma may be wearing it on her arms
& legs, but that is their savings account. The only reason that
they will liquidate that permanent savings account is crop
failure.
Common sense should make us ask one
more question. Will a higher price cause these people to stampede
out of silver into – rupees? Into paper money they didn’t
trust in the first place? If silver rises, the rupee is falling.
That convinces them more than ever that they are holding the right
thing.
Compare real estate. When a house
appreciates, not everybody unloads. They count it, they spend it,
they borrow against it, but they don’t necessarily sell it.
About twice a year Walter
Frankland of the Silver Users Association publishes a negative
assessment of silver, to keep talking the price down. However, in
his spring piece this year there was one valid question that any
silver bull has to be able to answer: why has the price gone
nowhere for ten years in the face of persistent deficits? You
answer that silver loans have advanced supply to the market, but
with eventually disastrous results?
The deficit-satisfying supply of
silver has come onto the market on an uneconomic, non-free market
basis. It was borrowed from central banks under the impression that
they will get it back. In fact, a 12-year old could look at the
equation & tell you it won’t work. If you loan something out to
someone, & that someone sells it to an unrelated third party or
consumes it, & you have no security for that loan & there’s
no more of that material around, that loan will not be paid
off as called for. It is manipulation & fraud because there is
no physical inventory available to satisfy these loans. Collectively
taken, they are fraudulent instruments.
The lack of substance behind the
loans is exactly the recipe for a financial panic.
Absolutely. You can’t keep a shortage
going forever. By definition, it is temporary. When it is
terminated, it will be among violence & panic.
You wrote something that really
summed it up well. "Silver is like a shrinking water-hole on the
African plains. When the elephants & lions -- Kodak, DuPont,
& Fuji -- come to drink, all others will be
deprived."
When? That’s the big
question. A lot of our silver customers bought for Y2K, & now
they want to sell. Invariably I tell them the same thing – I’ll be
glad to help you, but I really think you’ll come out a lot better if
you just hold onto it. I doubt you’ll lose money; in fact you’ll
probably make money.
Some questions are unanswerable.
Projecting existing trends is analysis, but picking dates is
prophecy. I’m not a prophet, I’m an analyst.
I’m surprised it has taken this long,
I tell you that. I’m surprised silver hasn’t exploded before now.
However, just because the market doesn’t accommodate your expected
time frame doesn’t really matter.
Fundamentals, can remain out of
whack for a long time. Precisely that long preceding imbalance
builds the pressure to drive prices up violently when the market
reaches for a more rational equilibrium. That’s why you can’t wait
until silver crosses $10 to buy. It won’t lounge around at $10 the
way it has at $5.
The important issue is not when
silver will move, but how. When the real move comes, it will
be very violent. How I should position myself now to profit
then.
That is knowable. You can
structure your financial arrangements to your individual needs. Do
what you have to do, just do it now. Don’t worry about
when it will happen, just know that it won’t give any second
chances to hop aboard.
The most salient characteristic
of silver’s personality is its extreme volatility. I can remember
June 21, 1982 when silver hit a low of $4.85. By February, it stood
at $15.
Then the government announced they
were going to sell 50 million ounces of silver & dropped it $5
in one day.
On April 27, 1987 silver was as high
as $11.25 & as low as $7.25 -- a thirty-five percent one-day
price range. That $4.00 variation almost equals the entire price
today!
When the move comes, it won’t be
important when you bought it, unless you didn’t buy it. It’s better
to be three years early than one day late.
Ted, thanks very much for your
time.
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